Truth Seeker - Trinity-Athanasian Creed

Please use search the web to verify yourself what the definition of the trinity is. The search should include the subject, "Athanasian Creed." Without a proper understanding of the teachings of the trinity you'll fail to see how wrong it is. I'll use some quotes from the creed as headings that scriptures will be thrown against.

Athanasian Creed Refuted

Athanasian Creed –The Son uncreated, The Father eternal, the Son eternal

Rev 3:14 and Col 1:15 both show the being known as Jesus to have been created.

Rev 3:14, These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God. (KJV)

Col 1:15, 16, Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For in him were all things created in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones, or dominations, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him and in him. (DRC)

If you question who Col 1:15 is referring to, please read the previous verses. Twice in these verses are Christians told that Christ had a beginning, was created. Thus the Son is not uncreated.

Micah 5:2, "2But thou, Beth-lehem Ephrathah, which art little to be among the (1) thousands of Judah, out of thee shall one come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth are from of old, (2) from everlasting.(1) Or families ; See Jud 6:15. 2) Or from ancient days ) (ASV)

(French Louis Segond)"Et toi, Bethléhem Ephrata, Petite entre les milliers de Juda, De toi sortira pour moi Celui qui dominera sur Israël, Et dont l'origine remonte aux temps anciens, Aux jours de l'éternité."

The blue part translates into, "and whose origin goes back to ancient times."

Commentary: These scriptures all agree in giving Jesus an origin, a beginning. God, Jehovah, the Father has no such beginning.

Athanasian Creed: So likewise the Father is Almighty, the Son Almighty, and the Holy Spirit Almighty. And yet they are not three almighties, but one Almighty. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. And yet they are not three gods, but one God.

John 14:28, Ye have heard that I said to you, I go away, and come [again] to you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go to the Father: for my Father is greater than I. (Webster)

John 20:17, Jesus saith unto her—Be not detaining me, for, not yet, have I ascended unto the Father; but be going unto my disciples, and say unto them– I am ascending unto my Father and your Father, and my God and your God. (Rotherham)

Acts 3:13, The God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob,—the God of our fathers, hath glorified his servant Jesus:—whom, ye, indeed, delivered up and denied to Pilate’s, face when he had adjudged to release him. . .

(This translation is found in Rotherham, ASV, Darby, and the Emphatic Diaglott. There are other translations as well using this wording)

Rev 1:1, The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to him . . . (Webster)

Commentary: These four scriptures show:

1. That God and Christ are not equal, but that God is greater than Christ.

2. That the Father, Jehovah, is Christ's God.

3. That Jesus is God's servant.

4. That even the resurrected and glorified Jesus had to get Revelation from his Father.

A final point about I John 5:7

This scripture has been used by some in an attempt of supporting the trinity concept. Therefore a short comment is warranted.

I John 5:7,8 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 8And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. (KJV)

It is important to note that both the NIV and La Bible Jerusalem (French Catholic Bible) state that this rendering is spurious and of recent inclusion. Here are the same verses American Standard Version:

I John 5:7,8 And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth. 8For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one. (ASV)

7Because those who testify are three: 8the Spirit, and the water, and the blood. (ACV)

7For they that bear witness are three: 8the Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and the three agree in one. (Darby)

7Because, three, are they who are bearing witness— 8The Spirit, and the Water, and the Blood; and, the three, are, witnesses , unto one thing. (Rotherham)

7 For there are three witness bearers, 8 the spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement. (NW)

This is the proper rendering. The NIV footnote assures us of this: "(not found in any Greek manuscript before the sixteenth century)"